Morich first Symmetrical ball: Perpetual Motion

[Tywithay]

http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/16-morich/1479-perpetual-motion


Looks interesting...

[Triggerman]

Ironic change for the guys at Morich, Assymetrical is all they preached, hummm wonder why the change?

Interesting to say the least

[StrikeTheory-ProShop]

Another mushroom head core? Seeing those on a lot of mid level equipment lately.

[thunderlounge]

Ironic change for the guys at Morich, Assymetrical is all they preached, hummm wonder why the change?

Interesting to say the least


Widen the target audience? :dontknow:

Worked better with that cover combo? :dontknow:


I bet Mo knows. :wink:

[El Scorcho]

It's far too simple of a core for Mo though. He loves making a core as complex as possible it seems. Running it throuh CAD simulations to get the numbers just right. I just dont think as much technology goes into this type of core design.

That being said, I'm sure the cover/core combo is spot on and it will be a great ball.

[Tywithay]

It doesn't look like it will be a high end piece, so maybe he's just trying something new to cover a wider range of conditions. It says this ball is for the lighter end, whereas the Frenzy, Craze, Mania, and RipR were all medium to medium-heavy+

[BowlingBallVault]

Ask Mo all of these questions on the BowlingChat.net forum.
Dedicated thread: http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1416

-Eric

[coolerman]

+1 Triggerman
You could not have said it any better.

What about pitched weight holes,gone like the dinosaur!

What is next?

[Dimension89]

The Mojave is supposed to be a drier lane ball and from what I've seen its still pretty strong, hopefully this will be a TRUE dry lane ball, if so I might have to try it out.

[Triggerman]

i posted over there asking mo why the change, will see what his response/reasoning is. I am sure its a good one but following Mo's designs throughout the years, assymetrical balls have been IT this change surprises me

[Triggerman]

by their description the mojave is only pk17 weak, this cover is stronger and the ball has a stronger diff, so I think its a big no on the dry lane ball, this cover core puts this right in the benchmark territory, so I still wonder why?

[Adrenaline]

Ironic change for the guys at Morich, Assymetrical is all they preached, hummm wonder why the change?

Interesting to say the least
I'd expect a snide comment like this from others, but not someone of your stature. Regardless, while Mo prefers Asmmetric balls, if you've read any of the threads in the layout forum, he almost always recommends having both types of ball in your bag for versatility.

[Triggerman]

I'd expect a snide comment like this from others, but not someone of your stature. Regardless, while Mo prefers Asmmetric balls, if you've read any of the threads in the layout forum, he almost always recommends having both types of ball in your bag for versatility.

not snide at all but very legitimate, Ive followed mo's designs for years (Ive been on the misc forums for over 12 years so Ive been around the block) and mo has always looked for stronger equipment in the assymeterical range. My querie was just that, why the switch? everyone knows Morich for strong assymetrical balls. If his answer is just to fill a void so be it, but it goes against everything morich has done for years and is quite a surprising turn of events. I felt my question was very legitimate and meant nothing derogatory towards anyone. Obviously the people above me in this post thought the same. a change of pace this big makes people sit up and go WTF

On Edit i do carry both assymetrical as well as symetrical balls in my bag

[El Scorcho]

Would this be the equivalent as if Lane #1 were to go away from the Diamond based core? Just curious as to how big of a change this is for MoRich.

[coolerman]

Trig,you might want to watch those comments,they
could get you banned on their site.

[Triggerman]

in my book, heck yes, lane 1 has built a whole business on diamond cores, just like Morich and assymetrical ones, If lane 1 came out with an entirely different core line I'd be the first in liine saying WTF, why the change?

[TomaHawk]

No offense but, sometimes if you talk enough, eventually you'll end up contradicting yourself.

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[Triggerman]

oh I fully expect that but its my price for trying to undertand and ask the question. I dont think I am out of bounds by asking, heck Eric even personally invited us to ask Mo
Its ok tho, if I want to talk with mo there is always face book or heck even a telephone

I do like the shape of that core they are doing as its one of my faves

[Triggerman]

No offense but, sometimes if you talk enough, eventually you'll end up contradicting yourself.

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Did I contridict myself somewhere?

[TomaHawk]

No Trig...the comment was really intended toward the sudden reversal of philosophy on behalf of MoRich enterprise. There are many who have a disproportionately high regard for some in this industry, it just goes to show, everything is subject to change...even one's theory on ball motion.

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[BowlingBallVault]

We have never banned a non-spammer on the forum.
Not sure why coolerman said that.

No worries, intelligent questions will be met with equally intelligent answers.

Hawk,

Just because Mo introduces 1 symmetrical ball, doesnt mean he's going through a paradigm shift.
Relax, you'll get your answers from the man himself, if you just ask.

[Triggerman]

its just a sudden change in design that no one saw coming, heck maybe thats the intent, look at what its done here 15+ posts in less then an hour on a site thats known for lane 1? sounds like a great talking point. Will be waiting to hear what mo has to say

[TomaHawk]

My point is simply, do not make emphatic, definitive statements, to which a change of direction may one day be deemed necessary. As is the case with many in this industry, there are always different perspectives.

...how long have we been hearing, if it ain't asymmetric, it ain't right..........

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[BowlingBallVault]

Im not even going to reply to that.
Sorry.

[TomaHawk]

its just a sudden change in design that no one saw coming, heck maybe thats the intent, look at what its done here 15+ posts in less then an hour on a site thats known for lane 1?

yup, excellent point indeed.............

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[TomaHawk]

Im not even going to reply to that.
Sorry.

This is not a political forum, you can answer the question

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[magoo]

The Mojave is supposed to be a drier lane ball and from what I've seen its still pretty strong, hopefully this will be a TRUE dry lane ball, if so I might have to try it out.
Talked with Mo Friday and he told me this ball is stronger than the Mojave

[Triggerman]

from the numbers I see I would anticipate this to be a good mid condition ball

[TMack]

He's doing it for a lower price point ball. I talked with him on the phone on Sunday. He felt like he needed a ball in the mid price area. Thats what he told me.

[Triggerman]

hey Tim, were you able to shoot a picture of that blue death?

[KingofKings696]

Also lets remember what Mo said when he brought out the frenzy he stated about the fact that a huge strong core wasnt needed and all(forgot his exact wording maybe this is a continuation on that theory?

[RevZiLLa]

Mo is indeed producing a symmetrical ball. This is not a philosophy shift, but a wider offering to his customer base. There are times when he believes a symmetric is a great solution.

You will also see that he has defined 3 drillings for the new ball and included numbers on drilled core dynamics. These are simple drillings that any ball driller can successfully offer to his customers. You will see that two of the drillings are the same, but with a balance hole added. In other words, you can drill it up and add more motion with that balance hole if you need to.

Also, Mav isn't going to ban anybody for posting in a civil manner on bowling chat.

[PowerStroke]

Mo is indeed producing a symmetrical ball. This is not a philosophy shift, but a wider offering to his customer base. There are times when he believes a symmetric is a great solution.

You will also see that he has defined 3 drillings for the new ball and included numbers on drilled core dynamics. These are simple drillings that any ball driller can successfully offer to his customers. You will see that two of the drillings are the same, but with a balance hole added. In other words, you can drill it up and add more motion with that balance hole if you need to.

Also, Mav isn't going to ban anybody for posting in a civil manner on bowling chat.

well put. I think it's similar to being angry that under armour is coming out with basketball shoes, when they are predominantly a football company. Broadening his ability to sell to different customers- I think that's the reason for the ball. Now, if his next 7 releases are all symmetrical cores, then I think we'd have a conspiracy!

[idriveahonda]

I just had a lesson with Mo today, and we looked and talked about equipment.

He stated that the Perpetual Motion is supposed to be a smooth arcing, medium oil ball; suited for those who like a smooth, continuous motion.

We had a blast.

[kellytehuna]

I believe Revz said it best. Mo has always believed there is a place in the bag for a symmetrical piece and if you took the time to look through the TOMES of layout advice he's dished out at bowlingchat.net, you will see he repeatedly says that symmetricals offer a different look than asymmetricals.

Producing a symmetrical ball doesn't negate any of what he's said and done over the years. Asymmetricals are still more "accurate" post drill, than symmetricals which I think is one of the main reasons he has produced asyms exclusively up til now.

What Mo has done is offered a HUGE cored symmetrical ball at a lower price point to fill out the medium reaction spectrum better. Also, the core being so big offers you a lot of versatility in drilling options. I'll be getting one of these bad boys as soon as I can! LOL!

[Tywithay]

I still wish it had a weaker solid cover with that huge core. Pearls are too jumpy off the friction for me, even with surface. With polish they just skate....Boo! Still a cool looking ball though. Kind of reminds me of the fire quantum with that core and cover, with more modern numbers, of course.

[kellytehuna]

I'll let you know how it rolls when I get a chance to roll one. I believe we have similar stats.

[TomaHawk]

Surely, many of you remember, there was quite a heated argument raged by Mo in reference to symmetric bowling balls. Capital, multi-colored, italicized, letters always tend to stand out in my mind.

But, getting past all of that.....

The core is very similar to a core that was used in the Brunswick Monster Bruiser, numbers might be slightly different. Very versatile on a lot of lane conditions, could be drilled a lot of different ways. Smooth, smooth, smooth.

It would be great if Mo's interpretation performs as well

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