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Old 05-26-2017, 09:09 AM
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Question about Staffer reviews

Do people pay attention to "Staff" review of a bowling ball? Do you take seriously what they say? Do you even pay less attention if they do not have a video for it?

Should BBE be used for Motiv staffers to make their Motiv money? (They get a certain amount of currency to purchase bowling balls, etc for every post they make and video).

Even more so... Should BBE be used as marketing medium and not have to pay the forum something to post (the only time these people post is when doing a review).

I know BBE is slow, but is this what this forum be used for?
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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

The fact that people take the time to review the ball on BBE should be an honor. It is somewhat time consuming on behalf of the staffer too. Some are done very well.

If it helps someone with their decision making process, it's not a problem. For the rest of us, we don't have to necessarily click on the topic.

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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

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The fact that people take the time to review the ball on BBE should be an honor. It is somewhat time consuming on behalf of the staffer too. Some are done very well.

If it helps someone with their decision making process, it's not a problem. For the rest of us, we don't have to necessarily click on the topic.
True Dat. But, when looking for a ball or any information/input, I do read the reviews, although I've noticed that the majority are from staffers of ball company's (doing their job I suppose) and I realize that they are definitely biased and have to wonder about the contents of said posts. Some, if not most must be taken with a grain of salt.

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Old 05-26-2017, 12:20 PM
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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

I prefer videos over written reviews. No matter the condition no matter the bowler I prefer something visual.

There are some good written reviews. Most however, not so much.
If you go after Motiv staffers you should apply to all staffers…… and writers trying to pimp their online articles/columns.
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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

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The fact that people take the time to review the ball on BBE should be an honor. It is somewhat time consuming on behalf of the staffer too. Some are done very well.

If it helps someone with their decision making process, it's not a problem. For the rest of us, we don't have to necessarily click on the topic.
How long does it really take to copy and paste from the manufactures website?

But you are right, some of these are very well done. "Mags", JustinWi and the Average Joe guy all do outstanding reviews. Most of the others are "Copy/Paste" masters.

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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

The title of the thread makes it pretty clear it's a review. If you're interested, you open and read it. If you're not, move on. That's how I see them. I don't mind them posting, when you're in the market the more information the better.

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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

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I prefer videos over written reviews. No matter the condition no matter the bowler I prefer something visual.

There are some good written reviews. Most however, not so much.
If you go after Motiv staffers you should apply to all staffers…… and writers trying to pimp their online articles/columns.

I didnt mean to call out Motiv staffers directly, but they are by far the most aggressive.

It is advertisement for the company. So why shouldnt the staffer/ball company or like you said, writers have to pay for that advertisement?
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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

I'm not sure how you would go about charging for something like that.

Motiv by far has the most posters and I'm sure the contract terms have something to do with it. While I don't pay much attention to many staff reviews, Motiv has a few people who do a great job

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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

People are welcome to post reviews. It is one of the reasons BBE is here.

I evaluate a reviewer over time and if their impressions are close to my own, then their reviews are of value to me. If they cut and paste, they are of little value
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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

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People are welcome to post reviews. It is one of the reasons BBE is here.

I evaluate a reviewer over time and if their impressions are close to my own, then their reviews are of value to me. If they cut and paste, they are of little value
I understand that...

but what if the posters are "staffers" and ONLY post when they are doing a review? Would not that be just advertising?
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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

....if a person doesn't click on the thread, simply, it's not visible advertisement and can be avoided....for me personally, I look for other types of community involvement too.

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I understand that...

but what if the posters are "staffers" and ONLY post when they are doing a review? Would not that be just advertising?
I get it, the motives of some are obvious. Still, some reviewers are damm good, but they never post other things. I appreciate these guys. Some others do nothing but reviews of lesser quality. That's OK...up to the reader to respect their opinions or not.

Now, if someone were to do nothing but say Happy Birthday!! 6 times a day, that may sound ok. If their signature is full of links, that is unwelcome advertising. Not cool...
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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

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I didnt mean to call out Motiv staffers directly, but they are by far the most aggressive.

It is advertisement for the company. So why shouldnt the staffer/ball company or like you said, writers have to pay for that advertisement?
It technically is an ad. So is any profile picture or category listing a company logo, or name. My user name would be advertising. Other user names including manufacturers name would be as well.

If anyone recommends a product no matter the affiliation or reimbursement that is advertising. Especially with bowlers being so brand specific. It's a fine line depending on your view point either way.
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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

With some manufactures, there are specific guidelines that must be met in order to be considered a "staffer". In knowing some of those guidelines, there is no doubt the intention of a ball review thread is to provide information about a specific product. Promoting the product on the internet is mandated by the manufacture.

But again, taking into consideration the format that BBE utilizes, the information is totally avoidable if one does not click on the thread. Advertising to me is; in your face, sitting along side of something you might truly be interested in, and you can't get away from it.

At any rate, a true ball review would be a comparison of a particular ball in a manufactures arsenal against a similar product in another manufactures product line. Anything other than that is just a ball rolling down the lane that "strikes every time".

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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

I don't mind the reviews myself, but they should contain an original thought from the reviewer. I haven't noticed if any were an exact cut and paste from the manufacturers website. If that were the case though, it would be an advertisement, and not a true review.

edit:Scrolled down and saw some of the recently posted "reviews". Yeah, they really don't contain any information about how they feel about the ball, how they think it fits into their arsenal, or anything that even promotes a conversation about the ball. Probably good for archival purposes if someone in the future is looking for the exact specs though.
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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

Cut and paste from the website is worthless. I can get the same info directly from the website myself. I do not need someone else to cut and pate it for me, hence I am reading less and less reviews

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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

the ball review videos are ok but you cannot get a read on the shot or the reaction i would like a few paragraphs on the reaction and change as the shot broke down

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Re: Question about Staffer reviews

I've seen people comment this on ball review videos before but I think for videos instead of only keeping in strikes I think they should show what happens if you miss it at the bottom or really get a handful or if you miss right into the dry or pull it left I feel like that would help the average bowler more then showing everyone you can strike with any ball on a house shot
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