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Bowling on carry down and pushed oil

So went to a different alley today, one I haven't been to in about 7 years. Got two lanes been trying to get consistent more and get timing right.

So out of the bag first is my Hammer Phobia, and I like to go fast and high rev right of 2nd arrow. Ball hydro plains. So I figured gotta be some boundaries, so I play more right, around 1st arrow, and just skids. So I try playing tight and goes through the face too much, and I try playing in and out, and nothing seemed to work. So I tried going slower up the boards and didn't work. I tried my control balls, my polished long balls, and even urethane, and nothing seemed to have a look

So what would you do in a situation like this. Fast or slow, less hand or more hand can't seem to get to the pocket. What ball would you use and where would you play?Trying to get myself up and going again for tournaments since I can't find any league near me, that is sanctioned and has competition other than sweepers and tournaments.
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How far left did you try to get?

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Re: Bowling on carry down and pushed oil

Around town, we're seeing more and more centers putting out oil patterns that seem to have an out of bounds. Even some of the more talented and experienced bowlers are not scoring in a manner they are accustomed. A familiar phrase seems to be constantly reiterated: "Everything in my bag does the same thing". Honestly, that's impossible.

So, what's the problem?

Systematically, houses are starting to put out more demanding shots. They are not PBA tough, but just tough enough to make shot execution a little more important. You asked, fast or slow? It's neither.

With easier scoring conditions, people became accustomed to chucking the ball to the outside of the lane and watch it come back. As most bowlers have begun to realize, that approach to bowling isn't quite working any more. Now, it's a matter of rolling the ball, no matter what speed you are comfortable with.

With wide open "outsides", late timing the norm, run and gun bowling technique proliferated.

Work on getting the ball into motion at the proper time, develop a calm approach, and keep your eyes on the floor. That will get a bowler a lot farther than any ball in the bag.
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How far left did you try to get?

Where I was going over the 5th arrow and playing tight or having to go out and back
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Around town, we're seeing more and more centers putting out oil patterns that seem to have an out of bounds. Even some of the more talented and experienced bowlers are not scoring in a manner they are accustomed. A familiar phrase seems to be constantly reiterated: "Everything in my bag does the same thing". Honestly, that's impossible.

So, what's the problem?

Systematically, houses are starting to put out more demanding shots. They are not PBA tough, but just tough enough to make shot execution a little more important. You asked, fast or slow? It's neither.

With easier scoring conditions, people became accustomed to chucking the ball to the outside of the lane and watch it come back. As most bowlers have begun to realize, that approach to bowling isn't quite working any more. Now, it's a matter of rolling the ball, no matter what speed you are comfortable with.

With wide open "outsides", late timing the norm, run and gun bowling technique proliferated.

Work on getting the ball into motion at the proper time, develop a calm approach, and keep your eyes on the floor. That will get a bowler a lot farther than any ball in the bag.
I tried different ways to have the ball roll, either up the back, my normal around the ball, even tried to just come over the top of it. I normally play right up the boards but just didn't seem to get close to the pocket, I'd find something and adjust a little and just wouldn't work. Been recording myself on release and placement to see if I'm off on either or speed and speed was consistent, and roll was, just couldn't get anything to really face up.
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I tried different ways to have the ball roll, either up the back, my normal around the ball, even tried to just come over the top of it. I normally play right up the boards but just didn't seem to get close to the pocket, I'd find something and adjust a little and just wouldn't work. Been recording myself on release and placement to see if I'm off on either or speed and speed was consistent, and roll was, just couldn't get anything to really face up.
...your overall description is similar to comments I hear on a daily basis

The thing about bowling on more challenging shots, it's a matter of executing shots efficiently / confidently. Then it becomes mental.

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Re: Bowling on carry down and pushed oil

Wait. This is a house shot? And you're talking about carry down?

Slowinski - years ago - used mass spectrometry to prove that carry down is a myth in the modern game when reactives are used, and in many cases when urethanes are used if they are asymmetric. Typically, even after 15 minutes of practice, a path is carved into the lane and carrydown is almost negligible.

I don't think what you're describing is carry down. I think it's either a heavy volume condition, which would not be a house shot, or something else at work.

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Re: Bowling on carry down and pushed oil

There are lot of different oil conditions being laid out around town. Some of the patterns have a "burn" in the shot, right at the foul line. First, we know, the bowler has to release the ball correctly. There is no getting around that. Second, if they are in the wrong area of the lane, the ball will react, for all intents and purposes, like there is carry down.
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Re: Bowling on carry down and pushed oil

Absolutely agree, TH. I've seen balls burn up 30 feet down the lane, start to hook, stop, and then hook again - or go straight - because the rotational energy is completely gone and the core has no chance at all to precess.

That's why I think this is not a matter of carrydown, which is what we saw when balls had hard shells that did not absorb oil, and were drilled for stability. Back in the day, you'd see one oil line around the radius of the ball. Today, with any ball flaring - even symmetrics - you're not going to see the same effect. The ball precesses too much.

So, logically speaking, this is either a really heavy volume, or the ball is burning up. Or there's a release problem.

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Re: Bowling on carry down and pushed oil

It was not on a house shot, I know that for a fact. I've bowled on many different alleys with house shot and with boundaries. I've bowled with fresh and after a friday night of open bowling with full house all night with cosmic. This is something I have never seen before. I have bowled on the older PBA sport patterns
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scorpion etc
I do normally decent at those, around 200s, but I know I am better than that with those shots.
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Re: Bowling on carry down and pushed oil

Did you ask what they put out there? Did it happen that maybe there was a birthday party before you got there and there were 20 kids throwing plastic down the lane?

Lots of opinions given without even seeing what was going on. What your eyes may see may be different than someone with a skilled eye sees.

Go back, take a video of the ball reaction. Then some analytical suggestions can be made.
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Did you ask what they put out there? Did it happen that maybe there was a birthday party before you got there and there were 20 kids throwing plastic down the lane?

Lots of opinions given without even seeing what was going on. What your eyes may see may be different than someone with a skilled eye sees.

Go back, take a video of the ball reaction. Then some analytical suggestions can be made.
No league, but pro shop guy said there was a lot of open bowlers night before.

Just asking what people would do when hooking across all boards or straight up isn't working, what to go with
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Re: Bowling on carry down and pushed oil

All houses play differently, but when a shot is put out in our place, it's still recognizable. Even after a morning of bumper bowlers.

Now, if someone had worn their shoes outside or stepped in pop? That's a whole different ball game.

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All houses play differently, but when a shot is put out in our place, it's still recognizable. Even after a morning of bumper bowlers.

Now, if someone had worn their shoes outside or stepped in pop? That's a whole different ball game.
Hopefully I can explain it a lot better tomorrow when I come to the alley!
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Hopefully I can explain it a lot better tomorrow when I come to the alley!
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Just about anything is playable, just have to be calm enough to see it
You helped me out a whole lot. It is easy once you can do it and see it. Gotta let my thumb rest for the day and be back at it tomorrow.
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