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Another bowler rolls 900 series, but does anyone know or care?

When a bowler rolls a 900 series nowadays, it must not be considered significant news. Apparently, Joe Novara rolled a perfect series in East Islip, N.Y., yesterday, but there's not a word about it on the USBC's bowl.com Web site, and it's tough to find anything about it on a Google search. And as a member of IBMA, I usually get informed of significant bowling news, but nothing so far this time.
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It's all over facebook
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I finally see it on the IBMA Facebook page, but I have literally hundreds of bowlers (professional and otherwise) among my FB friends, and I have yet to see mention of the 900 by any of them.

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It's like mass shootings, political scandals, dumb stuff Trump says, etc... It happens so often, it's no longer news. However; as we have stated before, significant news is on social media such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pintrest, Tumblr, Youtube etc... Fish, sounds like you were looking in the ole newspaper again! It ain't there my friend!
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I hold a firm belief that the plethora of 900s is a symptom of USBCs arguably biggest mistake: not letting lane conditions keep up with technical advances in equipment to keep the sport challenging.

While there have been 900's historically (unsanctioned, unrecognized), it has always been the proverbial carrot that was dangled in front of every bowler's face to chase. Well, they WANTED the carrot to be caught, they made sure it happened. Now that the carrot is gone, and way gone as there are now dozens of 900s, so are the league bowlers. They have nothing to shoot for, the dream is gone.

It's like taking the balance beam event in gymnastics and making the beam 24" wide, rather than 4". Now anyone can do it; it's not special anymore. And neither is the sport.

By creating those conditions conducive to higher league scores and a perfect series, USBC has taken the "what if" out of the struggle for perfection, and reduced it to back page news, or a blurb on facebook.

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Re: Another bowler rolls 900 series, but does anyone know or care?

Maybe 900 should have been the standard all along.

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It's like mass shootings, political scandals, dumb stuff Trump says, etc... It happens so often, it's no longer news. However; as we have stated before, significant news is on social media such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pintrest, Tumblr, Youtube etc... Fish, sounds like you were looking in the ole newspaper again! It ain't there my friend!
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I wasn't "looking in the newspaper again" ... and even if I was, I wouldn't expect to find it there. I "saw" it first in a vague reference in another bowling discussion forum, and I attempted to check it out, and it was quite difficult to do. I would have thought that it would have been mentioned on USBC's bowl.com Web site, but it certainly wasn't (although perhaps it is now).

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When a bowler rolls a 900 series nowadays, it must not be considered significant news. Apparently, Joe Novara rolled a perfect series in East Islip, N.Y., yesterday, but there's not a word about it on the USBC's bowl.com Web site, and it's tough to find anything about it on a Google search. And as a member of IBMA, I usually get informed of significant bowling news, but nothing so far this time.
I saw it on Facebook pretty shortly after it happened. I googled bowling 900 series and it came up as a top story.

Is shooting a 900 significant, while I'm happy for the guy and I consider it still a big accomplishment.

I didn't shoot it, so meh.

The biggest thing about a 900 being shot is, knowing that it will be discussed in the forums and the majority of the posts will be people whining about the USBC and the easy conditions etc. etc. for allowing it to happen.

I'm holding out hope though that one day one of the whiners will shoot one themselves.

Come on the boards and say how disgusted they are with the USBC and the easy conditions and how it means nothing to them that they shot one and when they get their ring they'll spit on it and throw it back at the assoc. either that or take a dump on it.

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Re: Another bowler rolls 900 series, but does anyone know or care?

Because bowling is pretty boring unless you are actually involved.

I know some non-golfers who will sit and watch golf on TV. Same with Tennis, Football, Soccer, Baseball etc. I don't know anyone who isn't involved in Bowling that will watch a match on TV.

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Non bowlers used to take an interest in bowling on TV, a long, long time ago.

Interestingly, the conversations about bowling then and now are entirely different. Back when bowling was popular, all you'd hear people talk about is how good the players on television were. Scores in the area of 240's - 250's were not uncommon. Back then, it created an aura of excitement, everyone wanted to be like the pros.

In today's game, we've witnessed bowling on almost unplayable conditions, pros struggling on the big show is not something that inspires anyone.

Now, through it all, here we are talking about whether a 900 is any good...

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I hold a firm belief that the plethora of 900s is a symptom of USBCs arguably biggest mistake: not letting lane conditions keep up with technical advances in equipment to keep the sport challenging.

While there have been 900's historically (unsanctioned, unrecognized), it has always been the proverbial carrot that was dangled in front of every bowler's face to chase. Well, they WANTED the carrot to be caught, they made sure it happened. Now that the carrot is gone, and way gone as there are now dozens of 900s, so are the league bowlers. They have nothing to shoot for, the dream is gone.

It's like taking the balance beam event in gymnastics and making the beam 24" wide, rather than 4". Now anyone can do it; it's not special anymore. And neither is the sport.

By creating those conditions conducive to higher league scores and a perfect series, USBC has taken the "what if" out of the struggle for perfection, and reduced it to back page news, or a blurb on facebook.
I believe "blame" on the current lane conditions lies at the feet of BPAA management and proprietors. The battle for integrity was waged and lost during the eighties.

Technical advances be damned, but without the BPAA interference in the "maintenance" of the lanes, ABC/USBC never would have lost control of scores.

But, I guess some people like the idea, that they are better than they really are.
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I believe "blame" on the current lane conditions lies at the feet of BPAA management and proprietors. The battle for integrity was waged and lost during the eighties.

Technical advances be damned, but without the BPAA interference in the "maintenance" of the lanes, ABC/USBC never would have lost control of scores.

But, I guess some people like the idea, that they are better than they really are.
You are absolutely correct sir. While the BPAA forced the changes, the USBC/ABC/WIBC rolled over and let them dictate those conditions in the first place. Equal responsibility all the way around.

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Most people watched bowling when there was like 3 channels. ABC, CBS and NBC. By the 90's there was a better selection, but nothing like there is today. My Directv has around 1000 channels. Probably 75 are sports related. I can watch Darts, High School Football and Basketball, Curling, Horse Racing, BMX, cheer leading and any manner of other sports.

Sorry, I'm a bowler and even I find most bowling telecast boring.

I'm curious what you guys think USBC and BPAA should have done to stop it? USBC and BPAA are not franchises like McDonald's who can dictate terms on who can sell their product. If a proprietor doesn't put out a reasonable shot, then their bowlers will move to a house that does...or stop bowling all together.

Typical league bowlers want a fun night out and that usually means a high scoring condition. If you want proof, tell me how many "Sport" or PBA pattern leagues your local bowling alley has.

I'm going with the under in an over/under of 1 bet.

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Joe bowls in my Tuesday league. Fox News was there last night doing a piece on him. https://www.facebook.com/theperfectf...3154470563590/
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USBC has no vested interest in a bowling center. They do not work it, they do not pay the bills.

USBC is little more than a ponzi scheme.

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oh looks what new, USBC bashing!
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USBC has no vested interest in a bowling center. They do not work it, they do not pay the bills.

USBC is little more than a ponzi scheme.
And yet without USBC(or something like them) you are a ditch digger, garbage man, plumber etc. instead of a pro shop operator. There is no organized bowling without a governing body.

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And yet without USBC(or something like them) you are a ditch digger, garbage man, plumber etc. instead of a pro shop operator. There is no organized bowling without a governing body.
...or a doctor (but I would have had to stay in college)

No one opened a bowling center because of ABC / USBC and no one has stayed in bowling because of them either.

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...this thread is about a fellow who rolled 36 strikes

How many millions of series have been thrown? How many 900 series?

Why is it so difficult to comprehend, someone had an absolutely, tremendous day.

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You are absolutely correct sir. While the BPAA forced the changes, the USBC/ABC/WIBC rolled over and let them dictate those conditions in the first place. Equal responsibility all the way around.
ABC didn't just rollover on conditions, BPAA put a gun to their head, threatening to pull ALL their bowlers from the ABC membership rolls. Remember, in the early to mid eighties, bowling league participation dropped 35% in 2 years and has continued for 30 more. From full double shifts to half, then a quarter on the late shift, then almost none. same with the Jr programs.

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Most people watched bowling when there was like 3 channels. ABC, CBS and NBC. By the 90's there was a better selection, but nothing like there is today. My Directv has around 1000 channels. Probably 75 are sports related. I can watch Darts, High School Football and Basketball, Curling, Horse Racing, BMX, cheer leading and any manner of other sports.

Sorry, I'm a bowler and even I find most bowling telecast boring.

I'm curious what you guys think USBC and BPAA should have done to stop it? USBC and BPAA are not franchises like McDonald's who can dictate terms on who can sell their product. If a proprietor doesn't put out a reasonable shot, then their bowlers will move to a house that does...or stop bowling all together.

Typical league bowlers want a fun night out and that usually means a high scoring condition. If you want proof, tell me how many "Sport" or PBA pattern leagues your local bowling alley has.

I'm going with the under in an over/under of 1 bet.
I'm not sure ABC could have stopped that train from leaving the station without committing financial suicide. At this point, all USBC can do is publicize and promote competitive/sport shot leagues.

25 years ago a center I bowled got a local beer distributor to sponsor a scratch league with $7000 added to prize fund. The house wanted a competitive shot and I worked with the lane man to get (in my mind) a condition that could be played almost anywhere across the lane with a break down that stayed playable. Two teams from one of the easiest house stopped by to try the shot on league organizational night. They, as expected had problems and complained. They never showed up to start league.

So no, 30 years later, it doesn't surprise me that very few houses have sport leagues

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oh looks what new, USBC bashing!
Others may choose to attack USBC on this matter, but I was around in the 80's when this mess got started. My complaints about USBC center on the stupidity surrounding the ill fated move to Texas, that came close to bankrupting the sanctioning body as they chose to hop into bed with the BPAA.

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https://deadspin.com/long-island-man...cor-1819619364


my wife send me the article, yesterday. hope link works. This young man as been bowling majority of his life, JBT ETC. Nice article. Fish I am not much of asocial media person myself so lucky to catch article. Actually has a picture of scores, teammates shot 700"s and a high 600. Conditions may have been favorable, yet still a heck of a task. congratulations to this youngbowler

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In our sociology book, a segment was dedicated to recreational activity. At that point in time, bowling was at it's peak in terms of participation. In that chapter, the discussion revolved around other venues that would compete with bowling centers for the consumers disposable income. Two emerging activities were golf and fitness centers. The reasoning used, people were going to become more attracted to "healthier" activities. We can now see were the observation was correct.

If we look at both, golf and fitness centers as examples, there is little outside pressure to become the best golfer or the most fit person. Simply, it is a matter of desire one might have to better themselves. Maybe, even take it to a professional level. But, no one is saying, if you can't run a 26 mile marathon in x amount of hours, you are not fit. The same type of rational could also be said of golf. You are, who you are because of your physical and mental capability.

Percentage wise, there are very few people who have the capability of being much more than average. There were millions of bowling participants. Even then, a very small number actually had the skill required to be much more than a 150 average bowler.

Why punish the average bowler with tough lane conditions? That's like telling someone that they must bench press 400lbs within three months or they cannot participate at the fitness center. Or, a golfer, they must play par golf or go home. It just doesn't make sense, either on behalf of the participant or as a business model. What makes Planet Fitness so popular? No pressure.

In bowling, there is always pressure. It comes in the form of a projected score board. From a psychological and sociological perspective, your score reflects your ability...and...the whole bowling center, maybe hundreds of people know it. Not a good feeling.

If it appears that I am not a fan of ABC / USBC, that would be an understatement. They did not / do not totally understand the bowling business. Guess what? It's too late now. The competition for the recreational dollar is spread far and wide. Bowling is an afterthought now.

At least a dream has been achieved, 900!
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It is impressive no matter what that anyone shoots 900 giving the variables and how much more can go wrong then right when bowling. It is sad that so many complain the game is too easy when this happens and even more when it doesn't.

Everyone has bowled on a night when it was just better carry then others. Everything lined up and you had that kind of look with the right ball and plenty of area, but more important plenty of carry. Many times those nights you do not walk away with a 900 series, or a 300 game, or 800. But you are usually walking away shooting something pretty good that you are happy with.

What about all of the other nights you throw the ball pretty damn good and get less then favorable breaks? 4 pin, 9 pin, 8 pin, 7pin, 10pin 10pin, 4 pin etc. You make adjustments, you are throwing the ball as good as ever and the conditions are just right to be wrong for carry for you. Four lanes down you watch someone that doesn't throw it as good as you, averages 20 pins less, and is carrying the world and beats you scratch by 50+ pins.

Then on top of that you finsih the night on what you feel is a tough pair to shoot just at your average and go home to read constant post about bowling is EASY. Too EASY. Everyone is averaging 230+, everyone is shooting 300/800/900 every other week etc etc. and apparently you are the only bowler not doing it.

It is bowling shaming to some degree no different then anything else we see with gyms, and other things on social media.
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...this thread is about a fellow who rolled 36 strikes

How many millions of series have been thrown? How many 900 series?

Why is it so difficult to comprehend, someone had an absolutely, tremendous day.
... but does anyone comprehend why no bowler was able to surpass Allie Brandt's 886 series for more than 50 years, and why until 1997, no bowler had rolled a certified 900 series?
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... but does anyone comprehend why no bowler was able to surpass Allie Brandt's 886 series for more than 50 years, and why until 1997, no bowler had rolled a certified 900 series?
With double or triple the number of series bowled annually prior to the fall off of ABC/USBC membership.

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... but does anyone comprehend why no bowler was able to surpass Allie Brandt's 886 series for more than 50 years, and why until 1997, no bowler had rolled a certified 900 series?
50 years ago people played on a wood surface. The topography of a wooden surface was / is a bowlers worst enemy. Not only was the surface of the lane inconsistent, but the cleaning process of the lane was basically non existent.

But, to take it a step further, like billiards, bowling should have always been reliant upon a totally flat surface. Today's bowling environment is much closer to the optimum playing surface. Since the advent of synthetic overlays and proper lane maintenance we are seeing a much more predictable playing surfaces. While topography is unique from lane to lane, we are much more apt to witness a pair of lanes which play more similar than dissimilar.

Anyone, who is a relatively proficient bowler, knows there are certain pairs of lanes in a house that score better...or...worse than other pairs. Under perfect circumstances, a very good bowler could achieve absolute perfection. Even with new technology, the odds of achieving a 900 series is extremely rare given the amount of three game series that are bowled around the world.

Gone are the days of high boards, low boards, soft boards, hard boards, and improper lane maintenance. So, what do we do now? Some are suggesting we artificially recreate yesteryear's lack of lane consistency.

One other thing, I am friends with a fellow who knows Earon Vollmar, owner of the 900 series shot in Toledo. He said, it wasn't a big surprise Earon shot 900, he is a very good bowler. That statement was made by an excellent bowler. Another fellow I know shot 840ish at the Nationals. Tough shot right? Knowing that person's talent, that too came as no surprise.

What it all boils down to, right person, right spot, anything can happen.

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... but does anyone comprehend why no bowler was able to surpass Allie Brandt's 886 series for more than 50 years, and why until 1997, no bowler had rolled a certified 900 series?
Its funny that you say "certify" when pretty much everyone counts Glenn Allison's 900 in 1982. Everyone but for ABC/USBC.

Why in baseball, players are hitting more HR than ever before.

Why in football, passing records are getting destroyed.

Why in basketball, the 3 ball is being shot with a higher % than ever before?

In life, things evolve, and so in does, bowling. Bowling athletes are in better shape than ever before, understand the game ever before. Equipment and soft lane conditions just multiply it 10x fold.

Bowling will not go back to 190 being high avg in league. It will not go back to a smokey atmosphere with you coming in with 1 ball only. Bowlers will continue to get better, manufacturers will keep making equipment that hook more, and proprietors will keep putting out softer conditions.
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I never liked the ABC/USBC. Too political. In Nashville, if you were a popular bowler, your score counted. If you were a rebel, they did not. Case in point. I had a friend shoot 300. It failed the test because the left side was blocked. Funny, he was a right handed bowler so it did not matter. The Association Secretary simply did not like him, but 5 weeks later when my friend shot 299, it passed immediately. Why?

Because some dudes threatened to kick his his butt if he did not pass this one!

900 is special and you still have to roll the ball. Plain and simple. Not taking that away, but these started happening due to reactive resin, not just synthetics and light oil. I don't know of a 900 shot with Urethane or Rubber. Glenn Allison in 1982 first shift shot 570ish with a Star Trak Force III turquoise urethane. Second shift he shot the 900 with a Yellow Dot.

Reactive resin was supposed to be the urethane bleeder. It happened. You add a plasticizer to urethane and voila' you have reactive resin.
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Its funny that you say "certify" when pretty much everyone counts Glenn Allison's 900 in 1982.
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The main reason I used the word "certify" is that there were at least five other UNCERTIFIED 900s (in addition to Allison's) rolled prior to Sonnenfeld's in 1997.

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The main reason I used the word "certify" is that there were at least five other UNCERTIFIED 900s (in addition to Allison's) rolled prior to Sonnenfeld's in 1997.
Have you written a story with the details of those 900's? I would love to read it!
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Actually Rev, that sounds like a great read! Get into the backgrounds of each person, their trials, and maybe a life before and life after those historic 900s. I'd pick it up. but then I am a geek on that kind of stuff.

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Have you written a story with the details of those 900's? I would love to read it!
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I've never written a full story on those unsanctioned 900s, but I have previously referred to them (and listed them) in posts in this forum. And here's what one of those posts said (on Nov. 28 of last year) ...

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Some people believe that Glenn Allison was the first to roll an unsanctioned 900 series, but that's not true. Prior to Allison, the following bowlers posted unsanctioned 900 series: Leo Bentley, Lorraine, Ohio, 1931; Joe Sargent, Rochester, N.Y., 1934; Jim Murgie, Philadelphia, 1937; and Bob Brown, Roseville, Calif., 1980.

After Allison, there were three more unsanctioned 900s -- by John Strausbaugh, York, Pa., 1987; Troy Ockerman, Owosso, Mich., 1993; and Norm Duke, Brunswick, N.J., 1996 -- before Jeremy Sonnenfeld connected for his certified perfect series, in Lincoln, Neb., in 1997.
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I can't imagine anyone who takes bowling even remotely seriously does not care about a 900 series, unless they're actively trolling a message board to push their agenda about lane conditions.

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Re: Another bowler rolls 900 series, but does anyone know or care?

Of course people care, just look at this thread!

I still haven't even been able to step up in the 10th with a chance at a 300, let alone an 800 or this crazy 900 stuff. Then again, I bowl on poorly maintained wood lanes, so there's my excuse!

900 is the new 300, like it or not. 300 barely gets any notice in some leagues because it happens so often, but 900 brings out the local news crews.

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I have to add an amendment to a previous statement, a wooden lane (vs. a synthetic surface) can easily be manipulated if the person who does the resurfacing, the lane man, and the lane mechanic know exactly what they are doing. The shot would be more one dimensional though.

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I have to add an amendment to a previous statement, a wooden lane (vs. a synthetic surface) can easily be manipulated if the person who does the resurfacing, the lane man, and the lane mechanic know exactly what they are doing. The shot would be more one dimensional though.
Heck, if it's not the lane man goosing the conditions, it's the resurfacer dishing the lanes to the max to get the ball started toward the pocket.

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Heck, if it's not the lane man goosing the conditions, it's the resurfacer dishing the lanes to the max to get the ball started toward the pocket.
Exactly!

How 'bout a little more friction in the track area or softening the track with acetone?

"Help" has been around a long, long time. For the most part, good bowlers know what they're bowling on. There was a house that was notorious for exceptionally high scores (wood lanes). A pro shop guy shot 300 there, it was turned down. He tried to complain, but everyone just looked at him like, really.....

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Exactly!

How 'bout a little more friction in the track area or softening the track with acetone?

"Help" has been around a long, long time. For the most part, good bowlers know what they're bowling on. There was a house that was notorious for exceptionally high scores (wood lanes). A pro shop guy shot 300 there, it was turned down. He tried to complain, but everyone just looked at him like, really.....
or; raising the rear of the pin deck to the max, thus slowing momentum of both the ball and pins to create more pin action.

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Seriously speaking. With so many 300's, 800's and now 900's, the survival of the sport may encompass 3 things:

1)Longer lanes to 70 feet as opposed to 60.
2) Mandatory US Open type lane conditions.
3) A new type of scoring system that changes conventional thinking of what bowling could be.

The game has not changed with technology and time. Many sports have not. The NBA still uses a 10 foot goal even with men as tall and strong as Lebron. Scoring has become easier in every sport. At least Golf can simply make the yardage longer, NASCAR can add laps, Football can change rules, and Baseball can restrict bats and make fields longer therefore reducing home runs. Things can be done if they really wanted to change.

I have always thought lanes were too short. It's too easy to get the ball to the pocket, especially with todays lanes conditions and bowling balls with steering wheels in them.

If all bowling centers built in the future were built with 70 foot lanes from the foul line to the headpin, you would never see a 900. Never. Ask the physicists on the board what it would take to get a ball to go 10 extra feet and still carry all 10 pins. Not an easy feat. It would certainly make the game one of strength. Not many people can roll a ball that far.

There are options if they really wanted to change things.
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Seriously speaking. With so many 300's, 800's and now 900's, the survival of the sport may encompass 3 things:

1)Longer lanes to 70 feet as opposed to 60.
2) Mandatory US Open type lane conditions.
3) A new type of scoring system that changes conventional thinking of what bowling could be.

The game has not changed with technology and time. Many sports have not. The NBA still uses a 10 foot goal even with men as tall and strong as Lebron. Scoring has become easier in every sport. At least Golf can simply make the yardage longer, NASCAR can add laps, Football can change rules, and Baseball can restrict bats and make fields longer therefore reducing home runs. Things can be done if they really wanted to change.

I have always thought lanes were too short. It's too easy to get the ball to the pocket, especially with todays lanes conditions and bowling balls with steering wheels in them.

If all bowling centers built in the future were built with 70 foot lanes from the foul line to the headpin, you would never see a 900. Never. Ask the physicists on the board what it would take to get a ball to go 10 extra feet and still carry all 10 pins. Not an easy feat. It would certainly make the game one of strength. Not many people can roll a ball that far.

There are options if they really wanted to change things.
Options 1 and 2 would kill bowling as we know it.

Option 3 might work, but only if it didn't make the game tougher for the average league bowler.

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Options 1 and 2 would kill bowling as we know it.

Option 3 might work, but only if it didn't make the game tougher for the average league bowler.

Good ideas, but I personally think it may be easiest to change to a different bowling pin to get scoring under control. One that is heavier and/or with a lower center of gravity. We had a the heavier PBA gold pins awhile back. We knew that those pins reduced the number of messsenger hits, but did anyone do a study on how they affected the scoring pace?

Example from my personal experience: When a senior bowling throwing a 12 pound ball can send messengers across the deck, something is really wrong.

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Good ideas, but I personally think it may be easiest to change to a different bowling pin to get scoring under control. One that is heavier and/or with a lower center of gravity. We had a the heavier PBA gold pins awhile back. We knew that those pins reduced the number of messsenger hits, but did anyone do a study on how they affected the scoring pace?

Example from my personal experience: When a senior bowling throwing a 12 pound ball can send messengers across the deck, something is really wrong.
Great Idea! I forgot about heavier pins, and deeper flat gutters.
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