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The Sarasota (Fla.) Herald-Tribune is supposedly a NEWSpaper, but H-T sports editor Scott Peterson apparently feels that golf deserves extensive coverage whereas bowling deserves NOTHING.

For more than four decades, I provided complete and prompt coverage of each weekend of the Florida State Bowling Association's championship tournament, but unfortunately, despite many years as a bowling columnist, I no longer have a writing venue.

In recent years, my state bowling tournament reports -- coupled with up-to-date standings -- were often available as early as Sunday evening. But even though the FWBA tournament is now being held in the H-T's immediate coverage area (Sarasota and Bradenton), there hasn't been so much as one word printed about it in the "newspaper."

However, golf coverage is a far different situation. In today's Herald-Tribune, the STATE BOWLING tournament (at Sarasota Lanes and AMF Bradenton) apparently isn't worthy of mention, whereas the CITY GOLF tournament got an 18-inch story on the front page of the sports section, coupled with a photo.

But even though you won't be able to find state tournament bowling coverage in the H-T, you can find out that John Stam, Harry Kaplon, Roger Loret and Jack McAllister were members of a foursome that finished second in a team quota points event at Venice East Golf Club. And already this month, there has been 94 inches of local golf scores in the H-T. But as for bowling ... FAHGETTABOUDIT!

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Have you considered taking up golf?

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Have you considered taking up golf?
Dear milorafferty:

For your information, I've been unable to bowl for more than a decade because of multiple foot surgeries. And although I still have the desire and ability to write bowling columns, I realize that modern-day venues for such columns are few and far between. Further, whereas I've covered a number of golf tournaments as a writer, I've never had a desire to pursue golf writing on a full-time basis. But thanks for your "suggestion."

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The Sarasota (Fla.) Herald-Tribune is supposedly a NEWSpaper, but H-T sports editor Scott Peterson apparently feels that golf deserves extensive coverage whereas bowling deserves NOTHING.

For more than four decades, I provided complete and prompt coverage of each weekend of the Florida State Bowling Association's championship tournament, but unfortunately, despite many years as a bowling columnist, I no longer have a writing venue.

In recent years, my state bowling tournament reports -- coupled with up-to-date standings -- were often available as early as Sunday evening. But even though the FWBA tournament is now being held in the H-T's immediate coverage area (Sarasota and Bradenton), there hasn't been so much as one word printed about it in the "newspaper."

However, golf coverage is a far different situation. In today's Herald-Tribune, the STATE BOWLING tournament (at Sarasota Lanes and AMF Bradenton) apparently isn't worthy of mention, whereas the CITY GOLF tournament got an 18-inch story on the front page of the sports section, coupled with a photo.

But even though you won't be able to find state tournament bowling coverage in the H-T, you can find out that John Stam, Harry Kaplon, Roger Loret and Jack McAllister were members of a foursome that finished second in a team quota points event at Venice East Golf Club. And already this month, there has been 94 inches of local golf scores in the H-T. But as for bowling ... FAHGETTABOUDIT!
Same here. The PA State Bowling Tournament team event is happening right now, literally 4 miles from the office of the local "Pulitzer prize winning" newspaper, and there has been no coverage at all. We don't even get weekly bowling scores in the paper anymore like we used to 20 years ago.
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Dear milorafferty:

For your information, I've been unable to bowl for more than a decade because of multiple foot surgeries. And although I still have the desire and ability to write bowling columns, I realize that modern-day venues for such columns are few and far between. Further, whereas I've covered a number of golf tournaments as a writer, I've never had a desire to pursue golf writing on a full-time basis. But thanks for your "suggestion."
I am aware of your situation, as you have explained it before. But sometimes we forget that times change. Newspapers are a business and if they have come to the conclusion that their readers(what few they have left) are not reading bowling columns, then they will use that space for subjects they deem more popular.

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I am aware of your situation, as you have explained it before. But sometimes we forget that times change. Newspapers are a business and if they have come to the conclusion that their readers(what few they have left) are not reading bowling columns, then they will use that space for subjects they deem more popular.
... but how, logically, can it be explained that a person who is part of a foursome that finishes third in a local scramble or best-ball golf event deserves newspaper space whereas local or state bowling tournaments and/or a local bowler who rolls a 300 or 800 isn't worthy of any mention whatsoever?

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... but how, logically, can it be explained that a person who is part of a foursome that finishes third in a local scramble or best-ball golf event deserves newspaper space whereas local or state bowling tournaments and/or a local bowler who rolls a 300 or 800 isn't worthy of any mention whatsoever?
It's fairly simple for most of us to understand, but you obviously don't get it. The numerous threads started on the exact same topic proves that.

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... but how, logically, can it be explained that a person who is part of a foursome that finishes third in a local scramble or best-ball golf event deserves newspaper space whereas local or state bowling tournaments and/or a local bowler who rolls a 300 or 800 isn't worthy of any mention whatsoever?
Why do some young people think it looks cool to have their pants down to their knees and showing most of their underwear?

Why do people watch "Keeping Up with the Kardashians"?

Why is it nothing rhymes with Orange?

Some things just can't be explained...

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Why do some young people think it looks cool to have their pants down to their knees and showing most of their underwear?

Why do people watch "Keeping Up with the Kardashians"?

Why is it nothing rhymes with Orange?

Some things just can't be explained...
Dear milorafferty:

Based on your comments, do you feel (or suggest) that bowling doesn't deserve newspaper coverage -- perhaps because it provides little interesting subject matter?

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Dear milorafferty:

Based on your comments, do you feel (or suggest) that bowling doesn't deserve newspaper coverage -- perhaps because it provides little interesting subject matter?

It doesn't matter what I feel, I don't own a newspaper.

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Bowling just isn't very interesting anymore, at least to most people. It lost it's luster when Earl Anthony stopped bowling on the tour because of short oil. It's been a downhill slide since that point in time.

Let's look at it from a business perspective. All sports look for a super star to promote. Without them, well, it's just boring. Who's the super star in bowling?

Do prestigious sponsors like BMW or Mercedes clamor to get an opportunity to advertise their product in the bowling world?

People like to dream they'll make a million in a day, nobody in sports dreams they'll make 65,000.00 a year.

People like to talk sports like they really, really understand what it takes to be a professional athlete. What average person understands bowling any more?

People like to feel a connection. Only the "shot's not tough enough" crowd feels any sort of identity with the game now.

If advertising pays the bills, who, other than someone in the industry wants to promote their business on the "bowling page"? No one.

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Deserve's got nothing to do with it. It either pays the bills or not.
Dear RevZiLLA:

I've seen that argument on many occasions ... BUT I hardly feel that SOCCER pays any bills in the senior-citizen-laden area in which I reside. Yet, today alone, the Herald-Tribune sports pages contained more than 28 inches of international soccer results. And there are regular reports on local SOFTBALL and TENNIS (not to mention golf) scores.

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It doesn't matter what I feel, I don't own a newspaper.
Dear milorafferty:

If it really doesn't matter what you feel, why do you even bother to comment in this thread (and others)?

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If it really doesn't matter what you feel, why do you even bother to comment in this thread (and others)?
Because you keep bringing it up. Didn't you want to talk about it?

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Milo, he reminds me of someone living in a Senior Living Area.. The lack of youth does something to you.
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Milo, he reminds me of someone living in a Senior Living Area.. The lack of youth does something to you.
He is retired as far as I know but was a sports writer for many years. I've read quite a bit of his stuff and he does have a talent for writing.

Bill and I have went back and forth for a few years on this one. He is a great guy, I just like to rib him a little.

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Because you keep bringing it up. Didn't you want to talk about it?
Dear milorafferty:

Certainly, I'd have no objection talking about it, but what matter of any substance have you offered for discussion, despite quite a few posts, in this thread?

Am I posting things that you feel shouldn't be discussed in a bowling discussion forum? I'd tend to figure that with most bowling forums having less and less participation -- if they aren't already extinct -- forum members would welcome bowling-related comments ... but that's just one man's (mine) opinion.

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Dear milorafferty:

Certainly, I'd have no objection talking about it, but what matter of any substance have you offered for discussion, despite quite a few posts, in this thread?

Am I posting things that you feel shouldn't be discussed in a bowling discussion forum? I'd tend to figure that with most bowling forums having less and less participation -- if they aren't already extinct -- forum members would welcome bowling-related comments ... but that's just one man's (mine) opinion.
Substance? Me?? Come on, you act like you don't even know me.

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Mighty Fish, you are a good writer, but writers must know what to write to get print and thus get paid, and unfortunately people in American are not going to read a bowling column.

The internet has all but destroyed the newspaper industry. I doubt anyone here in Nashville under the age of 35 has ever picked up a newspaper, and may not know we even have the Tennessean who right now is using every inch of the sports page in print or on line for The Titans NFL draft picks, or the 3rd Round playoff NHL Team the Nashville Predators. Even local golf here is not getting any space. Minor sports that get attention are none! It's The Titans, The Predators, Vanderbilt Sports, Belmont Sports, and David Lipscomb if they have space. Golf, Tennis, Bowling, Running, etc... get no space at all. MLS gets space because of the amount of soccer fans here. We have a very large Latino and European population here that want soccer news.
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Mighty Fish, you are a good writer, but writers must know what to write to get print and thus get paid, and unfortunately people in American are not going to read a bowling column.

The internet has all but destroyed the newspaper industry. I doubt anyone here in Nashville under the age of 35 has ever picked up a newspaper, and may not know we even have the Tennessean who right now is using every inch of the sports page in print or on line for The Titans NFL draft picks, or the 3rd Round playoff NHL Team the Nashville Predators. Even local golf here is not getting any space. Minor sports that get attention are none! It's The Titans, The Predators, Vanderbilt Sports, Belmont Sports, and David Lipscomb if they have space. Golf, Tennis, Bowling, Running, etc... get no space at all. MLS gets space because of the amount of soccer fans here. We have a very large Latino and European population here that want soccer news.
Dear EastNashvilleOldTimer:

I'm now 75 years old, and believe me, I DON'T NEED any more writing jobs and I'm not looking for additional revenue, and I realize that there aren't many businesses of any kind looking for bowling writers.

As for The Tennessean, I worked part-time for Raymond Johnson's sports staff when I was a student at Vanderbilt, after being highly recommended to him by then-Vandy sports publicity director Elmore "Scoop" Hudgins. On occasion, I even filled in for regular Vandy sports beat writer John Bibb, and I covered all Vandy sports for United Press International. And I have no doubt that what you say about the present-day Tennessean is true.

I understand the arguments that some are making in this thread, but I still think it's totally illogical for a newspaper to run every local golf, tennis and softball score while totally ignoring local bowling -- including local association championship tournaments, 300 games, etc.

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You went to Vanderbilt? Cool! I don't know why they won't run bowling, but I guess when they go to Dave and Busters and see 3 years olds bowling. I guess that is all they think bowling is.
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Newspapers are a business. If they think bowling articles or post are money generating they will post them. If enough people request it, they would likely post it.

I think the answer is obvious if they continue not to post bowling.
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There's a reason I repeated that.

Newspapers are dead. You don't need printed-page newspapers to write or turn out content. You don't need newspapers for just about anything.

Trump proved that taking his case directly to people via social media (DIGITAL!) is the most effective way to directly touch lives. His Twitter feed, for better or worse, is far more effective for him to deliver whatever message he wants rather than doing a traditional news conference, so that's why he doesn't even do those any more.

Jeff Richgels, for better or worse, has proven that if people want instantaneous news coverage of bowling, they will pay for it. And he even works for a newspaper, but he recognizes there's a limited market for news about people throwing 300 or a nice series, even in bowling-crazy Wisconsin. So, he adapted and is making money from it.

Bowler's Journal, Bowling This Month, Facebook, Twitter, and other platforms, even ball company websites - all prove that people want digital now more than ever.

The audience for bowling in a printed newspaper format is either dead, inactive, or not relevant because they do not spend money on new equipment, bowl tournaments, or use the most prevalent device to access information - a smartphone.

And this discussion is now in its 937th iteration, and it's still a useless timesuck unless you recognize the change in the market and the medium, as a smart man once said.

Want to write? Write away. Publish online. Blog it, Tweet it, create a Facebook page. If it's good, promote it and people will read, and possibly even PAY you for the content, like Richgels. But quit whining about the local newspapers not taking your columns any more.

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Newspapers are dead. You don't need printed-page newspapers to write or turn out content. You don't need newspapers for just about anything.
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I'm aware that newspapers are on the way out, and so is true (non-fake-news) journalism. I'm sure you join me in hoping that bowling doesn't follow the same path.

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There's a reason I repeated that.

Newspapers are dead. You don't need printed-page newspapers to write or turn out content. You don't need newspapers for just about anything.

Trump proved that taking his case directly to people via social media (DIGITAL!) is the most effective way to directly touch lives. His Twitter feed, for better or worse, is far more effective for him to deliver whatever message he wants rather than doing a traditional news conference, so that's why he doesn't even do those any more.

Jeff Richgels, for better or worse, has proven that if people want instantaneous news coverage of bowling, they will pay for it. And he even works for a newspaper, but he recognizes there's a limited market for news about people throwing 300 or a nice series, even in bowling-crazy Wisconsin. So, he adapted and is making money from it.

Bowler's Journal, Bowling This Month, Facebook, Twitter, and other platforms, even ball company websites - all prove that people want digital now more than ever.

The audience for bowling in a printed newspaper format is either dead, inactive, or not relevant because they do not spend money on new equipment, bowl tournaments, or use the most prevalent device to access information - a smartphone.

And this discussion is now in its 937th iteration, and it's still a useless timesuck unless you recognize the change in the market and the medium, as a smart man once said.

Want to write? Write away. Publish online. Blog it, Tweet it, create a Facebook page. If it's good, promote it and people will read, and possibly even PAY you for the content, like Richgels. But quit whining about the local newspapers not taking your columns any more.

That's their option based on the market.

You have yours.
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After reading this discussion, I asked some golf friends if they read the newspaper to get golf news, and they said for any golf news they go to PGA.com or USGA.org. Award scores from around the nation are posted there, and furthermore, they hear the news while on the course, or they have the mobile app.

JT Phillips used to write the bowling column in the Tennessean in the 1960's and 1970's. I think they dropped him sometime in the 1980's. Nashville has not had a bowling column for over 30 years, yet when I walk into a bowling center; the scores are posted. In other words, non-bowlers could care less about bowling scores just like I could care less about golf scores, but everyone in Nashville goes to The Tennessean Online to read about the Predators and The Titans, and Vandy fans read about Vandy or they go to Vanderbilt.edu/athletcs to get the news.

Another point, since Nashville is a major league city with an NFL and NHL team, that is all that is going to get printed. If Vandy were not an SEC team, they would not get coverage either. In Fact, The Tennesseean is supposed to quit print sometime in the next couple of years. Their demographic now is 65+. Their demographic is dying out, just like no-one buys music on cassette anymore. It's a dead medium.

I respect your writing legacy Mighty Fish, but what you want has been gone for a long time. I want a new Doors album, but Jim Morrison is dead. I just have to accept that. Bowlers have to accept the fact no-one who is not a serious bowler is going to read a bowling column.
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After reading this discussion, I asked some golf friends if they read the newspaper to get golf news, and they said for any golf news they go to PGA.com or USGA.org. Award scores from around the nation are posted there, and furthermore, they hear the news while on the course, or they have the mobile app.

JT Phillips used to write the bowling column in the Tennessean in the 1960's and 1970's. I think they dropped him sometime in the 1980's. Nashville has not had a bowling column for over 30 years, yet when I walk into a bowling center; the scores are posted. In other words, non-bowlers could care less about bowling scores just like I could care less about golf scores, but everyone in Nashville goes to The Tennessean Online to read about the Predators and The Titans, and Vandy fans read about Vandy or they go to Vanderbilt.edu/athletcs to get the news.

Another point, since Nashville is a major league city with an NFL and NHL team, that is all that is going to get printed. If Vandy were not an SEC team, they would not get coverage either. In Fact, The Tennesseean is supposed to quit print sometime in the next couple of years. Their demographic now is 65+. Their demographic is dying out, just like no-one buys music on cassette anymore. It's a dead medium.

I respect your writing legacy Mighty Fish, but what you want has been gone for a long time. I want a new Doors album, but Jim Morrison is dead. I just have to accept that. Bowlers have to accept the fact no-one who is not a serious bowler is going to read a bowling column.
Dear EastNashvilleOldTimer:

You make quite a few valid points, and I generally agree with most of them. However, I note your contention that golfers tend to get their news from non-newspaper sources, and that gets me back to my contention that there is no valid reason why local bowling is totally ignored while local golf scores continue to be published on a daily basis.

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Around you.

Golf scores aren't in the paper around here. Back when I lived in NJ, they posted scores only for high school bowling (and every other high school sport).

As others have said (in this thread and all 800000 other threads you've made on the same topic), if it was worthwhile for the newspaper to print local bowling, they would. You're surprised bowling isn't in your local paper, I'm surprised golf IS included. No one cares about those scores either in a lot of (most?) places.

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I think part of the issue these days is "what is really a honor score" anymore? even in medium sized cities people are popping out 300's like candy. There is not much eye candy as you can say to write about that will make a reader be interested. You be better off getting a small section in local paper of a smaller town that maybe gets one every few years as that is "news" for a smaller local community for a local news paper. Even 20+ years ago it was the case, when i rolled my first 300 I was in college in a small town of about 4000 population. It was the 4th ever bowled at the center that was 30+ years old. That got a rather large write up in the local paper think it was in the 5 in by 7-8 in range front page sports if my memory was correct, In my home city which was much larger I got was a little 2 x 2 section for my second later that year lol. as this was still in the middle 90's 300's still a tad rare in local city I was from, but not as rare as the small college town I bowled it in. I am sure if someone bowls a 900 series and the local news of that city was told there be a section in the news, maybe even 879 series ect, but with honor scores that are bowled these days, sadly its not really big news for most larger towns/cities. Golf will get its write ups as it has stars, ask most common people to name a golfer and a bowler, most will probably say Tiger woods for golf and give you a blank stare for bowling. Unless some young hot shot bowler gets some large marketing deals, this will stay this way for the foreseeable future.

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I think part of the issue these days is "what is really a honor score" anymore? even in medium sized cities people are popping out 300's like candy. There is not much eye candy as you can say to write about that will make a reader be interested.
Dear SilverPack:

True, a 300 may not be "eye candy" anymore, but even so, it should logically be as "important" as a golfer being part of a foursome that finishes fourth in a local scramble event.

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True, a 300 may not be "eye candy" anymore, but even so, it should logically be as "important" as a golfer being part of a foursome that finishes fourth in a local scramble event.
The question I would have would be are they even "aware" of the tournament currently for one and sadly second are you the one that has been pushing overtime to get stuff published for it? Sadly like all things you step on too many toes your emails/messages will not get read anymore or purposely not be published just to make a point that they write for the paper and add what they want when they want. Also needs to take into point this "golfer" is he/she a local "sweetheart" aka people like reading about them even stupid stuff? Like on sports pages for major sports during off season you see all kinds of "dumb" things published just because they have a name people want to know about. Also the size of a bowling tournament information may be too large to fill in the "space" they will give making it to the "cuts" list and the smaller page related to that golfer may have helped. As with everything its their editor that picks and chooses what he wants to publish on any given day. Like I stated with that small town I bowled in years ago, think the last bowling news I could find in the archives was from 2002-2003, the bowling ally closed for a while in 2007, but was re-opened later on by new ownership. Now everything related to bowling is best found on its Facebook page, but even then its more related to what bands and drink specials are coming up lol. But will say when I bowled there in the mid-later 90's most of the bowlers had been older, WW2/Korean Vets including the owner, very few young bowlers at all. lol remember many of them smoked the old "Lucky Strike" Non-filtered cigarettes. Great group of people, sadly i am sure most have passed on by now or in no condition to bowl anymore.

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The question I would have would be are they even "aware" of the tournament currently for one and sadly second are you the one that has been pushing overtime to get stuff published for it? Sadly like all things you step on too many toes your emails/messages will not get read anymore or purposely not be published just to make a point that they write for the paper and add what they want when they want. Also needs to take into point this "golfer" is he/she a local "sweetheart" aka people like reading about them even stupid stuff? Like on sports pages for major sports during off season you see all kinds of "dumb" things published just because they have a name people want to know about. Also the size of a bowling tournament information may be too large to fill in the "space" they will give making it to the "cuts" list and the smaller page related to that golfer may have helped. As with everything its their editor that picks and chooses what he wants to publish on any given day.
Dear SilverPack:

Even if the sports editor was "aware" of the tournament, it's extremely doubtful he'd print anything about it. And personally, I haven't contacted the sports editor, but I can assure you that it would make no difference had I done so. As for "filling space" ... the sports editor had no trouble finding space for a full 30 inches of hockey scores in today's Scoreboard section.

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Dear SilverPack:

Even if the sports editor was "aware" of the tournament, it's extremely doubtful he'd print anything about it. And personally, I haven't contacted the sports editor, but I can assure you that it would make no difference had I done so. As for "filling space" ... the sports editor had no trouble finding space for a full 30 inches of hockey scores in today's Scoreboard section.
Maybe the dude is a Hockey fan...

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Look, we get you are fustrated, we get you dont agree with how the paper deals with not putting bowling scores in, but...

Its not going to change, and probably 90% of the bowlers dont care if their name is in the paper unless they are in a youth league.

As its been mentioned before, start a blog, start a website, start a subscribed newsletter, in todays world, that can be more powerful than newspaper print, but your not going to get much pity on here that the paper does not include bowling scores or finishes. It has become the 'definition' of being a dead horse.

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We have the "luxury" of a bowling write up every two weeks (pin points). I have not bought a paper in years. I can find the column online. I read it mostly to see who won tournaments and when/where the next tournaments are. Local scores are a joke now so they do not matter much to me.

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There can't possibly be to much hockey coverage love NHL Hockey.

How many people outside of the old folks read a newspaper? I love reading Novels but not Bowling scores.
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There can't possibly be to much hockey coverage love NHL Hockey.

How many people outside of the old folks read a newspaper? I love reading Novels but not Bowling scores.
Dear mainzer:

I have no problem at all with hockey coverage. But I'd like anyone (including my "critics" in this thread) to tell me that the following is justified ...

In today's newspaper alone, there are 25 inches devoted to college softball, 4 inches for college lacrosse, 14 inches of local golf, etc. All that space can be found for those things, yet they can't find the 1 or 2 inches it would take to publish the results of a PBA championship tournament. Is it being unreasonable to feel that such is a ridiculous situation?

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I have no problem at all with hockey coverage. But I'd like anyone (including my "critics" in this thread) to tell me that the following is justified ...

In today's newspaper alone, there are 25 inches devoted to college softball, 4 inches for college lacrosse, 14 inches of local golf, etc. All that space can be found for those things, yet they can't find the 1 or 2 inches it would take to publish the results of a PBA championship tournament. Is it being unreasonable to feel that such is a ridiculous situation?
They could put two feet of space in newspaper and I and others in my generation would not see it, because we don't read newspapers​.

We go online for our news... I suggest anyone trying to spread Bowling news put there news online Bowling needs to move forward not be mired in the past
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I'm in my early 70's don't read the paper, boring is one word. The paper is like tv news slanted one way or the other how the money throw
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I have no problem at all with hockey coverage. But I'd like anyone (including my "critics" in this thread) to tell me that the following is justified ...

In today's newspaper alone, there are 25 inches devoted to college softball, 4 inches for college lacrosse, 14 inches of local golf, etc. All that space can be found for those things, yet they can't find the 1 or 2 inches it would take to publish the results of a PBA championship tournament. Is it being unreasonable to feel that such is a ridiculous situation?
You're not getting it, even after 89393 threads on the the same topics.

It has nothing to do with "justifying" it. Your "critics" simply could not care at all about the state of bowling in newspapers. Your "critics" care even less about the state of bowling in YOUR newspaper. We don't care because it's totally meaningless.

Instead of us justifying YOUR local paper's coverage, please justify why we should care. If you've got a reason other than "it reflects the death of bowling" (it doesn't), then maybe there's discussion worth having.

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Dear mainzer:

I have no problem at all with hockey coverage. But I'd like anyone (including my "critics" in this thread) to tell me that the following is justified ...

In today's newspaper alone, there are 25 inches devoted to college softball, 4 inches for college lacrosse, 14 inches of local golf, etc. All that space can be found for those things, yet they can't find the 1 or 2 inches it would take to publish the results of a PBA championship tournament. Is it being unreasonable to feel that such is a ridiculous situation?
Bill, in our area, we have very successful hockey, baseball, and softball programs all at the youth level. We also have one of the largest bowling centers in the world and a national PBA tournament. Hockey, baseball, and softball will make headlines on the front page of the sports section with whole pages dedicated to those sports.

The PBA gets the least amount of coverage, if any.

What does that tell you about the image bowling projects?

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One obstacle that my center faces with providing scores for the newspaper is the amount of time it takes for their employees to compile the high scores for each league each week. They simply do not want to devote the time to it anymore.

Personally, I would have no issue hosting a high scores webpage devoted to my local center and updating it each week, however without cooperation from the center it would require me looking at the standing sheets posted on the center's website and manually determining the high scores for over 20 leagues and hundreds of bowlers each week. That would take several hours of time each week that I simply do not have. Now, if it could be monetized as a second source of income, then maybe I could find the time to do it
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As far as I can tell, there are no 'critics' in this thread. There are, however, people who disagree with you.

The simple truth, as has been said a million times or so now, is that you - nor anyone else here - cannot do a damn thing about an editor's decision whether or not to include bowling scores in the newspaper. It's his call, period. Bitching about it won't change a thing.

If you can't get that through your head, then this discussion is pointless.

Here's the biggest irony of all that seems to escape you: you are self-publishing here.

On a website. Digital delivery.

The answer to your problem is staring you in the face right this very second.

Yet, here we are with the 89393th thread (yo, Bashay!) on this same exact topic.

All these facts seem to be lost on you, and so is the realization that you could fill a hole in the market, if only you tried.

How hopeless is that.

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We go online for our news... I suggest anyone trying to spread Bowling news put there news online Bowling needs to move forward not be mired in the past
... but as bowling moves "forward" it isn't gaining strides -- except in the area of super-inflated scores -- so perhaps the "past" wasn't really that bad.

Re: City and local golf trump state bowling 'newsworthiness'
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:37 PM
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Re: City and local golf trump state bowling 'newsworthiness'

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All these facts seem to be lost on you, and so is the realization that you could fill a hole in the market, if only you tried.

How hopeless is that.
Dear SpaceCadet:

Unfortunately, you touch on the reality that there is little or no "market" for bowling publicity in the modern-day world, and I suppose I should be glad that I no longer need to deal with such a "hopeless" situation.
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