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Core or Cover stock? Drill or Polish?

Let's say you have a ball and REALLY like it but after 1.5-2 games its too stout. Is it better to buy another and have it drilled weaker or polish it? OR Would you get a similar ball and have it drilled the same. With that asked, what are you looking for that is similar to get that same motion and punch from the ball you like? Same core but maybe in a pearl/weaker cover or same cover but with a weaker core?

Sorry If the question makes no sense... It at least sounds good in my head hahaha. I don't really have to the money to go buy a bunch of balls for trial and error purposes so I figured I would ask you fine folks.

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Re: Core or Cover stock? Drill or Polish?

Maybe leave it as is in your arsenal to cover more conditions.

If you must change it:
Try a different line and/or break point
Experiment with surface
Add a balance hole that reduces flare
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Re: Core or Cover stock? Drill or Polish?

I would leave it as it is, but just bowl more, it will not be so stout after 20 games, compared to out of the box. I wouldn't polish a ball that wasn't out of the box. I would try different things like loft or little less hand
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Re: Core or Cover stock? Drill or Polish?

My apologies I may have worded it badly....I would be keeping that original ball just the way it is BUT (option 1) would it be better to get another ball of the same model (a 2nd ball) and drill it weaker OR polish it.(option 2) get a completely different model ball. if option 2 would I want to try and get a similar core or cover as the original ball?

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Re: Core or Cover stock? Drill or Polish?

Surface is the single greatest factor in creating ball motion, period. Depending on the hook shape you desire, I would always play with surface first, period.

Want longer and snap motion? Polish.

Want the ball to arc more and be a little less snappy? Surface.

Generally speaking, you can achieve whatever motion you're looking for with surface adjustments.

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Re: Core or Cover stock? Drill or Polish?

I think he is talking about what to do in the middle of a set when the only ball you have is too much. While I agree "surface rules", in this case he needs to learn to adjust. I know Space Cadet knows you can't alter surfaces at any time in the set.

Than means either hand position, foot/target moves to find more oil, or speed increase to regain the "shape" you lost. For me, if I need to stay with the ball I will move left to chase the oil to maintain the shape, then hand position if needed. The last thing I want to change is my speed, just because I know I can't stay consistent with it.

In longer blocks (5+games), it helps tremendously to have an arsenal you are comfortable with to ball down/up to if needed assuming all the other adjustments didn't work, or you have played them out.

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Re: Core or Cover stock? Drill or Polish?

Why are people suggesting to make changes to a ball that he REALLY likes?

For the first 2 games, the ball is fine, but it seems like when there is transition, the ball is not favorable.

Some people do get the same ball, and drill it weaker or change surface. Some people stay within the family and ball down. Some just keep chasing the shot left till it can not be chased no more, and or loses carry when chasing it.

What ball are you talking about btw?
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MeNo, I get it.

But I've also tweaked balls that allows them to stay in use a little longer by taming them down. I play a little more aggressively early in the set, and when the spot burns I usually chase it inside until it burns up. Most of the time, on the THS, that works well. Not so much on sport/challenge/PBA patterns.

That's what Slowinski teaches - the crayon version, that is. Move your feet first, then change your hand position, then change balls.

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Re: Core or Cover stock? Drill or Polish?

Get a step down piece for your arsenal
I would not get the same one and drill it weaker, it wont be that much difference. (unless - as mentioned above - you have the surfaces different on each piece)

You don't need to spend all that much these days on mid performance pieces.
Many choices for under 125 bucks.
Here are a few
Ebonite gamebreaker 2 series - 115 bucks
Track Kinetic series 124 bucks
Hammer Blue & Red vibe - awesome piece for dryer lanes 79 bucks
Columbia Juke - 119 bucks

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Get a step down piece for your arsenal
I would not get the same one and drill it weaker, it wont be that much difference. (unless - as mentioned above - you have the surfaces different on each piece)

You don't need to spend all that much these days on mid performance pieces.
Many choices for under 125 bucks.
Here are a few
Ebonite gamebreaker 2 series - 115 bucks
Track Kinetic series 124 bucks
Hammer Blue & Red vibe - awesome piece for dryer lanes 79 bucks
Columbia Juke - 119 bucks
Can you post something without pushing EBI? Some times people just want advice to their question, not a sales pitch.

BTW these prices are not drilled.
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MeNo, I get it.

That's what Slowinski teaches - the crayon version, that is. Move your feet first, then change your hand position, then change balls.
Us mortals, even a lot of 220 plus bowlers are not very consistent with changing had positions. I think you do what you are best at. If you are someone that has a lot of equipment, go ahead and change balls if you like the zone your in.

To be an effective MLB pitcher, you don't need to have 4 pitches. Sometimes a good fastball curve and change up are perfect. In bowling, the same thing. You don't need to be good at moving on the lane, changing balls changing hand positions, changing ball speed, different focal points, etc. Just pick a couple you are good at and master those.
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To be an effective MLB pitcher, you don't need to have 4 pitches. Sometimes a good fastball curve and change up are perfect. In bowling, the same thing. You don't need to be good at moving on the lane, changing balls changing hand positions, changing ball speed, different focal points, etc. Just pick a couple you are good at and master those.


Right on MeNo! Outside of my normal comfort speed, i can get inconsistent, so I try not to do that. I work lane moves, then hand, then ball. I can master those easier.

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Re: Core or Cover stock? Drill or Polish?

Outstanding guys. Thank you. BTW, the ball in question is the Forza SS. For me it hits HARD but I'm learning it's not a good reliable ball for any longer than a game on THS as the ball requires a little more oil (at least for me). I'm just stubborn and try to force it to work longer than I should instead of changing balls...lol Was wondering what to look for in a step down ball. I'm finding out the more I learn about this mess the more maddening it gets...lol. Should you move to a smoother ball? Should you move to a skid flip ball? Maybe move to a urethane?...hahaha I think I may just go back to taking a drink, grip it and rip it.

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Outstanding guys. Thank you. BTW, the ball in question is the Forza SS. For me it hits HARD but I'm learning it's not a good reliable ball for any longer than a game on THS as the ball requires a little more oil (at least for me). I'm just stubborn and try to force it to work longer than I should instead of changing balls...lol Was wondering what to look for in a step down ball. I'm finding out the more I learn about this mess the more maddening it gets...lol. Should you move to a smoother ball? Should you move to a skid flip ball? Maybe move to a urethane?...hahaha I think I may just go back to taking a drink, grip it and rip it.
I have a Forza SS and it's pretty strong and early. If you want to stay with Motiv, the Venom Cobra would be my choice, but every company makes something similar.
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