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Old 08-20-2010, 08:44 AM
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Understanding Pin length

Ok what do the different pin lengths specify?

What are the differences and what do they mean to the bowling ball?

And is there an average pin length the most people go with and why would theat be?

Just trying to get some understanding before I get me another "brand new" ball.

Or is there a site or link that explains this in detail?
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Re: Understanding Pin length

The longer the pin is the easier it is to lay it out to go longer. Shorter pin = Ball wants to roll earlier, Longer pin = Ball wants to get down the lane more.
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Re: Understanding Pin length

Simple enough, thanks.

I was thinking it was alot more to it than that but that really basics it up.
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Re: Understanding Pin length

There are more technical things im sure. But I really dont get into the more tech stuff lol. Thats in a nutshell the easiest explanation to me. Personally I dont drill anything with a short pin.....doesnt really match up with me well.
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Re: Understanding Pin length

Are you talking about pin to pap distance, or pin-in, pin-out distances? Very different questions.

Pin-in is when the Pin to CG distance is less than 2". These balls tend to be better for pin under layouts because you can get the CG closer to center of grip, or below it to have the option to put in a low weight hole. This is WHY pin in tend to get rolly. The layouts that work best on pin ins (and NOT give you static weight issues) tend to promote early roll! Nothing to do with pin in, or pin out!

Pin-out is when the Pin to CG distance is greater than 2". These balls are better for pin up layouts, again, because its easier to get the CG closer to the center of grip, or below it to give you the option of a low weight hole. Again, this is WHY pin outs tend to longer than pin ins. Layout NOT pin in, or pin out. (Remember, static weights account for just 1% of total reaction. - Mo Pinel)

Generally speaking, pin outs between 3" and 5" give the most flexibility as to layout. If you consider the layout you're wanting to put on the ball, you should be able to figure out the pin in, or pin out distance you need to get.

On to pin to pap distances...

Pin to pap distance controls the flare properties of the ball and there is are distinct differences in flare patterns for symmetrical and asymmetrical balls.

For symmetrical balls exhibit max flare at the so called leverage position of 3 3/8" from the PAP. From there, as you move away from that position, you reduce flare. The only difference being that pins moving closer to 6" will have a break point will be a little later than pins closer to 3/4".

For asymmetrical balls, however, the flare properties are pretty much the same from 3/4" to 3 3/8". From there, the ball will always exhibit max flare. The differences between pins of 4" to 6" is that pins closer 4 1/2" will tend to promote more side roll, while pins closer to 6" will tend to promote forward.

There is a lot of information there, but I wanted to make sure I answered BOTH potential questions fully.

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Re: Understanding Pin length

Thanks,

I was asking about Pin Length in general, 3.5 , 4 inch etc.

I throw Saws did explain about the Pin length that I was looking for but you also answered another potential question so thanks.

so on average the most basic pin options are about 3-3.5 for most? Get a little of length and hook?
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Re: Understanding Pin length

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Bowling-1...lacement-4.htm

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Re: Understanding Pin length

Then, there is always the 2 1/2 in pin where we place the pin over the fingers, drill the holes to China, goes a mile....or....the 5 inch pin with the cg located by the thumb which hooks in your backswing.

But, absolutely, the most important aspect of the ball is coverstock, followed by shape of the core, then pin placement.

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Re: Understanding Pin length

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Thanks,

I was asking about Pin Length in general, 3.5 , 4 inch etc.

I throw Saws did explain about the Pin length that I was looking for but you also answered another potential question so thanks.

so on average the most basic pin options are about 3-3.5 for most? Get a little of length and hook?

There is no sucks thing as "basic pin options"

Its simple you order a pin length for what you want to ball to do.
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There is no sucks thing as "basic pin options"

Its simple you order a pin length for what you want to ball to do.

No Sucks Thing ummmmmmmmm yeah about that.................
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Then, there is always the 2 1/2 in pin where we place the pin over the fingers, drill the holes to China, goes a mile....or....the 5 inch pin with the cg located by the thumb which hooks in your backswing.
I love that! That's awesome! Hooks in the back swing! LOL!
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Thanks,

I was asking about Pin Length in general, 3.5 , 4 inch etc.

I throw Saws did explain about the Pin length that I was looking for but you also answered another potential question so thanks.

so on average the most basic pin options are about 3-3.5 for most? Get a little of length and hook?
Like I said earlier, the most flexibility, as far as layouts go, seem to come with 3"-5" pin out balls. Top weight has to be factored in as well, not to mention how far out of line the CG is and in what direction, but 3"-5" seems to be the "sweet spot" as far the flexibility of the layout.
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Re: Understanding Pin length

It's always great to see bowlers take an interest in the characteristics of bowling balls. To get started on the right path, the importance of certain inherent properties, surface, core, pin should be understood as well. Bottom line, we can drill just about anything that comes through the door.

In the settee area at the lanes and most certainly on the net, there is a lot of mis-information regarding the importance of factors such as pin, cg, and mass bias, not to say these elements are of no concern. The simple fact is, these elements just fine tune the look of the ball as it's traveling down the lane and how the ball will enter the pocket.

To answer the question, which pins are most desirable, they are all desirable. But, because of certain conditions such as pap, ball speed, rev rate, axis tilt, etc. some pin distances will cause the ball driller to become a little more creative.

And then, there is the most creative guy on earth...the lane man.

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Re: Understanding Pin length

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It's always great to see bowlers take an interest in the characteristics of bowling balls. To get started on the right path, the importance of certain inherent properties, surface, core, pin should be understood as well. Bottom line, we can drill just about anything that comes through the door.

In the settee area at the lanes and most certainly on the net, there is a lot of mis-information regarding the importance of factors such as pin, cg, and mass bias, not to say these elements are of no concern. The simple fact is, these elements just fine tune the look of the ball as it's traveling down the lane and how the ball will enter the pocket.

To answer the question, which pins are most desirable, they are all desirable. But, because of certain conditions such as pap, ball speed, rev rate, axis tilt, etc. some pin distances will cause the ball driller to become a little more creative.

And then, there is the most creative guy on earth...the lane man.

If he says, you need a slick, you'd better have it. If he says, you need a snow tire with studs and chains.......................

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+1! Very nice summary You can put just about any layout on just about any ball, its just easier with certain pin distances. Sometimes you have to get a little create, eg. fingers drilled to china, but it can be done in most cases.
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