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Old 03-07-2011, 04:32 PM
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Stiffness in 2nd knuckles of both middle and ring fingers of bowling hand

Hello Fam,

This was my 1st full season bowling with equipment that was performance fitted (spans, pitches, switch grip system, etc.) by Mr. Mo Pinel. His apprentice has drilled all of the equipment that I've purchased during the year to the original specs that was measured time of fitting. I felt that going to the switch grip system was the best decision I've made in bowling in a long time (wishing I had the knowledge of it sooner). Again, I have purchased several pieces of equipment since that initial fitting, and it has only been recently (say the last couple of months) that I've been dealing with some rather noticeable discomfort in my bowling hand. The 2nd knuckle of both the middle and ring fingers are very stiff most of the time now. I have had swelling in that hand (mainly from bowling in league a couple times a week and staying after and practicing + weekends). So the initial pain was chucked up to fatigue and wear from bowling regularly (but keeping in mind that I actually bowled so much more last year, 4 leagues, tournaments, and hours of practice with no finger stiffness). I'm at my computer most of the time at work, but I don't really feel the discomfort typing. I have no discomfort in my left hand at all. I try to make a fist, and pain radiates in the knuckle area of my bowling hand. I get some relief if I run them under warm water. I have not iced my hand yet to reduce any swelling, which is a regiment I think I may try before wondering if I need to see a doctor about this. I spoke with Mr. Pinel last week, and mentioned the pain I was dealing with, and a quick check of my span and fingers, he recommended I get with him to re-evaluate if any of my finger pitches needed to be reset. I know we go up and down with swelling during the year, but I want to know how many of you have suffered to the extent that I'm explaining about with stiffness in the fingers? I'm trying to avoid going to the doctor, as I feel resting from bowling is the best healing for this. Season is almost over, and cutting back this summer to heal is very much a possibility, but if this is something that can eventually damage my hand if not corrected, then I want to know. I've never had any problems with finger stiffness before in my years of bowling. From the performance fitting, I was measured with a drop ring finger and wonder if just the pitches are causing some of the this discomfort late into the season. And feedback would help....
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Re: Stiffness in 2nd knuckles of both middle and ring fingers of bowling hand
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:05 PM
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Re: Stiffness in 2nd knuckles of both middle and ring fingers of bowling hand

I can only speak to what I recently went through - mostly my ring finger - very painful and stiff... for all of this season until 2 weeks ago. We changed my span - lengthened it and since my fingers are stiff to begin with - we went 1" reverse with those - Over all pain is not as bad - and is in fact better the next day - where it used to hurt a lot.. During bowling - there is some pain - but I have been told its because I need to let my hand rest and heal... wishing you the best...
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:44 PM
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Re: Stiffness in 2nd knuckles of both middle and ring fingers of bowling hand

Going though some hand issues here too. I ended up pulling the tendon in my ring finger and I still have pain in my middle finger as well. I ended up drilling my ball Sarge Easter and the pain is much less. My big problem is just refuse to take off enough time to let my hand completely heal up.

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Re: Stiffness in 2nd knuckles of both middle and ring fingers of bowling hand

A lot of things could cause this:
Arthritis
Grabbing at release...trying too hard to rev the ball
Finger grips too tight (fingers hang at release and get wrenched)
Finger grips too loose (fingers in too deep shortens span)
Losing enough weight to make the thumb smaller (goes deeper into the thumb hole and shortens span)
Timing issues causing you to hang in the ball
A physical change in your grip - it happens, I know only too well

Lastly, your grip may just plain need to be tweaked from the original performance fit. Fitting a grip is an art and not a science, so getting the right feel is a process. Even after you get it right, your grip will continue to change.

Let Mo watch you bowl and look at your fit. He has changed my grip once since we started to account for my double jointed thumb, weight loss, and my hand being very flexible.
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:53 PM
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Re: Stiffness in 2nd knuckles of both middle and ring fingers of bowling hand

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Originally Posted by RevZiLLa View Post
A lot of things could cause this:
Arthritis
Grabbing at release...trying too hard to rev the ball
Finger grips too tight (fingers hang at release and get wrenched)
Finger grips too loose (fingers in too deep shortens span)
Losing enough weight to make the thumb smaller (goes deeper into the thumb hole and shortens span)
Timing issues causing you to hang in the ball
A physical change in your grip - it happens, I know only too well

Lastly, your grip may just plain need to be tweaked from the original performance fit. Fitting a grip is an art and not a science, so getting the right feel is a process. Even after you get it right, your grip will continue to change.

Let Mo watch you bowl and look at your fit. He has changed my grip once since we started to account for my double jointed thumb, weight loss, and my hand being very flexible.
Revz has covered most of the information. The most important of which, the grip is an art.
Depending on the length of the joints, flexibility of joints, thickness of the hand, it goes on and on, we can make subtle changes to the grip. Just as much as providing comfort, we'll look at the preferred angle of release onto the lane. Sometimes, we'll try to reach a happy medium between comfort and the release point if all else fails.

As to what you're experiencing now, the dropped ring could produce more stress on the joints if the hole sizes are incorrect and particularly if the pitches need to be changed. If it's not looked at, the pain will persist.

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Re: Stiffness in 2nd knuckles of both middle and ring fingers of bowling hand

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Originally Posted by RevZiLLa View Post
A lot of things could cause this:
Arthritis
Grabbing at release...trying too hard to rev the ball
Finger grips too tight (fingers hang at release and get wrenched)
Finger grips too loose (fingers in too deep shortens span)
Losing enough weight to make the thumb smaller (goes deeper into the thumb hole and shortens span)
Timing issues causing you to hang in the ball
A physical change in your grip - it happens, I know only too well

Lastly, your grip may just plain need to be tweaked from the original performance fit. Fitting a grip is an art and not a science, so getting the right feel is a process. Even after you get it right, your grip will continue to change.

Let Mo watch you bowl and look at your fit. He has changed my grip once since we started to account for my double jointed thumb, weight loss, and my hand being very flexible.

Thanks RevZ...I will try and get with Mo once he gets back into town. He has been watching me bowl some on free open practice some Sunday mornings, but I was more focused on the practice and not mentioning the pain in the hand. You make a good point about the finger grips being too tight, because I do have that feeling on some of my bowling balls that have been drilled over the season since the 1st fitting. Seems like my Cell solid (the initial ball that Mo did the fitting on), is the one ball that feels the most comfortable now. Mullins has my specs from that ball, but not all of the other pieces feel 'exactly' like that Cell solid. And that is in a comfortable since. The grip in my middle finger especially feels the most comfortable in that ball, but I don't throw my Cell very often. All the others are just a tad bit tigher in fit around those fingers. I really didn't think much of it. I think Brian at Shrader said something about when they drill based on the drill sheet, sometimes they have to go back to open the finger holes to make sure the grips feel the same, since it may have been hit a little more the 1st time with one ball versus another. I just hope that the stiffness doesn't become something that lingers with my hand...It doesn't feel good when you can't make a good complete fist in your dominant hand...
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Re: Stiffness in 2nd knuckles of both middle and ring fingers of bowling hand

Sounds like you might be deathgripping it with your fingers, and strained some tendons.

Are you sure your thumb hole is tight enough?

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Re: Stiffness in 2nd knuckles of both middle and ring fingers of bowling hand

Hi Absolut,

I would definitely get together with Mo. Be sure to talk in detail about how your
fingers feel, how the grips feel, and how the balls feel different from one another.
He's smart enough to figure out what to do to help you.

Don't worry about the long term too much. I imagine your hand will heal when
the source of aggravation is gone!

Good luck figuring this out. In the meantime I guess you won't be able to
punch the ball return with a fist! LOL Not that you would, of course.
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Re: Stiffness in 2nd knuckles of both middle and ring fingers of bowling hand

With the fitting that I have now, I truly don't feel as if I'm deathgripping at all on the bowling ball...tendon strain sounds fair as the 2nd knuckle area on both of those fingers are very malleable and hurt to touch. Keeping my hand in that position (bent fingers) when bowling will take its toll over this 'trying to recover' period. I think I may really need to start ice bathing it after bowling every night. Hopefully I get to see Mo on Thursday to check me out...
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