Desperado vs Desperado LE

[CR95]

whats the difference? is one better than the other?

thinking about trying one, not sure if there are any LE's left or not but have found the original Desperado nib...

[stopncrank]

The original had a nominal problem with the cover/core seperating I beleive, so they reformulated the cover and reintroduced it as the LE...the core is a smidge different but not enough to really be noticable. Since the cover change, they have had no problems...

[dougb]

Originally Posted by stopncrank

The original had a nominal problem with the cover/core seperating I beleive, so they reformulated the cover and reintroduced it as the LE...the core is a smidge different but not enough to really be noticable. Since the cover change, they have had no problems...

Before they updated the Seismic web site, it used to say, "We did however find that the silicon in the coverstock hindered durability, so after our initial run of the ball, we quickly discontinued it."

Ryan told me he still bowls with his OG Desperado with the separated core!

[MeNoRevs]

I have an original Desperado, a lot stronger than your usual urethane ball. The core is very strong and will get the ball to read the midlane a lot quicker than a Storm Natural.

Last time I checked, they only had a couple LE's left since they only made 200 of them.

[number1wwefan]

there is one on ebay I was looking at. 90 + shipping. It is a blem but seller said the limited edition lettering is engraved in the logo and color is off. May have a longer pin, can't remember.

[stopncrank]

Its a great ball, every bowler with a higher rev rate should have a urethane cover in the bag. Like MeNo said, the Desperado is a notch above most other urethanes out now because of the core, and beleive me when I tell you the hit this ball has is unlike any I have ever thrown, and that includes the original Blue Hammer....

[MeNoRevs]

This is a video I made of the LE

[charlest]

Originally Posted by MeNoRevs

I have an original Desperado, a lot stronger than your usual urethane ball. The core is very strong and will get the ball to read the midlane a lot quicker than a Storm Natural.

Last time I checked, they only had a couple LE's left since they only made 200 of them.

I have to agree about the original. Mine never separated. The core is quite strong but with urethane and a significant mass bias (> .008") you do have to be careful where you put it or to use the right angles. Mine hits harder than many resin balls, and than most urethane balls.

One thing I'd suggest is the original (A pearl) is better for slower ball speeds and the LE, which is a solid, is better for higher or firmer speed bowlers.

[dougb]

Originally Posted by charlest

I have to agree about the original. Mine never separated. The core is quite strong but with urethane and a significant mass bias (> .008") you do have to be careful where you put it or to use the right angles. Mine hits harder than many resin balls, and than most urethane balls.

One thing I'd suggest is the original (A pearl) is better for slower ball speeds and the LE, which is a solid, is better for higher or firmer speed bowlers.

I agree with Charlest and Meno. I have the original Desperado with a core/cover that is intact.

I've thrown the Blue, Black, and Pink Hammer; Storm Natural; Lane #1 Liberator; and this. The Desperado is unlike any of those balls. While I love the old Hammers, this ball is much stronger than the others and the carry is more like a reactive ball. No pesky corner pins.

I don't think of the Desperado as a dry lane ball, where all of those others work well. The ball was intended for short oil patterns and that is where it excels. Another very unique piece from Seismic filling gaps in other ball manufacturers' arsenals.

[Tommy716]

Originally Posted by dougb

I agree with Charlest and Meno. I have the original Desperado with a core/cover that is intact.

I've thrown the Blue, Black, and Pink Hammer; Storm Natural; Lane #1 Liberator; and this. The Desperado is unlike any of those balls. While I love the old Hammers, this ball is much stronger than the others and the carry is more like a reactive ball. No pesky corner pins.

I don't think of the Desperado as a dry lane ball, where all of those others work well. The ball was intended for short oil patterns and that is where it excels. Another very unique piece from Seismic filling gaps in other ball manufacturers' arsenals.

But it doesn't come in 14lbs which I throw, God knows I wish it did.....

[MeNoRevs]

Originally Posted by Tommy716

But it doesn't come in 14lbs which I throw, God knows I wish it did.....

Me also, so I had to get the original, which im extremely happy with. If you have a chance to get one, get it. If you want I can check if there are any in the warehouse?

[charlest]

Originally Posted by Tommy716

But it doesn't come in 14lbs which I throw, God knows I wish it did.....

The original Desperado, about which we were talking, came in 13, 14, 15 & 16 lb. versions. The current LE only comes in 15. Being a solid, I wouldn't buy it in any case.

[stopncrank]

Originally Posted by charlest

The original Desperado, about which we were talking, came in 13, 14, 15 & 16 lb. versions. The current LE only comes in 15. Being a solid, I wouldn't buy it in any case.

Don't be pushed away by the solid cover on the LE, it still gets more than enough length, and is clean enough up front to have alot of pop down lane.

[MeNoRevs]

Originally Posted by stopncrank

Don't be pushed away by the solid cover on the LE, it still gets more than enough length, and is clean enough up front to have alot of pop down lane.

Plus the LE takes well to polish, I have seen it look like a mirror!

[stopncrank]

Been wanting to hit mine with some polish, but Im digging the look I got oob with it right now lol!

[charlest]

Originally Posted by stopncrank

Don't be pushed away by the solid cover on the LE, it still gets more than enough length, and is clean enough up front to have a lot of pop down lane.

Since I already have the original, I don't see the need for getting the LE>

I find the difference between solid and pearl urethanes to be greater than that between the same reactives. Do you say the above because you have "firm" ball speed?
I have medium-slow to medium ball speed and find, especially with urethanes that I get much better energy retention with pearl urethanes: Desperado and Avalanche, than with solid urethanes.

[charlest]

Originally Posted by stopncrank

Been wanting to hit mine with some polish, but Im digging the look I got oob with it right now lol!

Don't be afraid to, unless you do have, as I mentioned before, "firmer" ball speed.

I added a dose of polish on top of the 4000 grit stock finish and found that, UNLIKE most other urethanes, BUT much more like most resins, it got more length but retained the backend and the power. It was just more usable on drier lanes and not just short oil.

[stopncrank]

Originally Posted by charlest

Since I already have the original, I don't see the need for getting the LE>

I find the difference between solid and pearl urethanes to be greater than that between the same reactives. Do you say the above because you have "firm" ball speed?
I have medium-slow to medium ball speed and find, especially with urethanes that I get much better energy retention with pearl urethanes: Desperado and Avalanche, than with solid urethanes.

Charles, if anything I really wouldnt classify myself as having higher ball speed, if anything Im close to matched. In general my ball speed is about 16mph dead on, via monitor-whatever that converts too...

Add to that, I threw mine quite a bit over last weekend, and I found myself making sure I kept my speed a tad lower, if I remember at times I saw it around 15.75 or a tick higher...